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Sugar Smacks
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Posted - 2015.01.16 02:17:56 -
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Shailagh wrote:From direct csm summer meating quotes and other quotes.....
The entire ONLY REASON FOR THIS CHANGE. Is player retention...
Ccp says their statistics show that people that stay in npc corps quit eve faster and more often than those in player corps..
They also say the reason newbros cant join said retention-helping-hisec-carebear corps is cuz they wont recruit due to corpmate violence fears.
So ccp thinks the way to retain players is to encourage hisec carebear corps to want to recruit newbros more and thinking away corpmate shooting will solve this and then retain more newbros and give more rl dollars in ccps hands....
Ccp cant you see this logic is flawed?? Some csm dudes even tried to say so. Wtf is the poijt of them is you dont listen?? This vhange and gonna increase RETENTION 1% IF ANYTJING GONNA MAKE OLDVETS QUIT MORE.
Honestly after reading CCP's reasoning then hearing the other side of everyone here.
I really have to say i have to agree with CCP at this point and it should be a pretty decent revenue booster, good job whoever thought this up. But seriously, who really is going to quit over this tiny mechanic change? For those who do i doubt your losing much over a person who is more of a griefer at heart then interested in EvE as a whole.
Its not really removing the mechanic it just forces the person to commit more work.
EvE is not about easy. |
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Posted - 2015.01.16 11:06:49 -
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Personally, I do not believe for one second this a small problem. I am to believe the devs made this a priority issue because it was a "back burnered" problem? Sorry I call complete bullshit on that one.
Odds are by their count this has drove hundreds if not thousands of people away. I personally do not believe they would care if they did not see this as a serious problem.
Now please tell me how you and your X number of alt accounts can equal these figures.
While you are at it explain why something that falls so close to grief play, which Is illegal btw, bothers you so much?
In all reality (the one the rest of us are living in) more players = more targets.
If you choose to complain please explain how your way helps the game and how its worth more than 100s if not 1000s of players?
At least come up with a different idea, people that complain to complain are the most worthless of all. |
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Posted - 2015.01.16 13:13:31 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Aiyshimin wrote:We, the fans, know how it is but I've lately come to the conclusion that cult following might not be enough anymore in 2015. There's 40% less people online during my prime time now than a few years ago, and that just weighs more than preserving a niche "play style". Over time the game becomes more carebeary. Over time, PCU drops. Obviously the solution is to become more carebeary. Aiyshimin wrote:I'd rather have 10 mission runners than 1 awoxer and only 5 mission runners. And I support CCP for seeing the same reality. You'd rather have more money and a dead game, than less money but a live game? Ok.
Im just curious how you got to the dead game conclusion when the solution had more players? |
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Posted - 2015.01.16 15:30:54 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Tim Timpson wrote:
I'm not "crying" for better PVE, I'm stating that PVE also exists and is also a part of the game that needs to be looked at.
AKA crying about it. PVE is fine. I spent all of last night doing some while listening to (honest to God) DISNEY SONGS on EVE Radio. EVE-Radio, you guys owe me isk for that plug btw. Quote:
The assumption Kaarous was making is that PVE leads to people leaving and PVP doesn't therefore all focus should go on improving PVP. What I was pointing out is that more player join seeking PVE therefore improving the PVE experience can also be a good thing.
And that is misguided. If people go into an expensive resturant 'seeking' dollar menu items does that mean the expensive resturant should add them to the menu? NO, it means "go to freaking McDonalds you broke mother ******" lol. Quote:
And no, nobody "belongs" in any game. If they want to play EVE,they can play EVE. If you don't like them because you want everything your way, tough. Go make your own game if you want creative control. In EVE, CCP will make decisions based on what is best for their business even if that means reducing risk, and if you don't like it you know where the biomass button is.
Lol, you're the one who doesn't like current EVE, yet somehow I'm the one who should biomass. Classic Quote:
By the way, the truth is that EVE doesn't require much thought so let's put that one to bed. Most activities can be performed almost completely AFK.
This is actually a good example of a misfit in EVE. In the same way that they think EVE pve is bad because it's not 'more interesting, they don't understand that EVE's actual 'gameplay' isn't the part where you need to do the thinking..... The thinking happens before you log in, or before you undock, or before your fleet forms. This kind of game just isn't for you bro, sorry.
Isn't there a certain degree of irony when you are discussing bringing new players and your solution is to chase the current ones out?
This really drives your "i dont give 2 fucks attitude" home. |
Sugar Smacks
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Posted - 2015.01.16 21:29:09 -
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Of all the changes they have made or are intened to make, this is the one you complain about?
The change of a game mechanic to include a button as a safety for not changing anything at all?
You have this impression they didn't research this problem or something, or that money doesn't matter in a business.
Or heres the one people just cant get around, how can you be against more people in a game where you have to sit around and hunt people like animals and wait for them to screw up. How can you not believe more people makes easier kills?
But no you want destructive behavior so we can "retain" you instead of a multiple of others?
This whole thread reads back of a spoiled child refusing to give up his toy, even if he has to burn the house down to get it back.
Please with this kind of "knowledge" please stop by Archeage and tell the current population of greifers they are keeping the game alive and the mass population they have chased out didn't mean anything.
In fact this might be just the game for you. |
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Posted - 2015.01.16 21:31:07 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:how can you be against more people in a game
easily. quality is more important than quantity.
That sounds like someone who has never run a business.
Or run one into bankruptcy. |
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Posted - 2015.01.17 01:45:14 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Aredontis wrote:
CCP has decided that corps don't bring in enough noobs because they don't want to get an awoxer.
This is the part that is the biggest lie. If corps aren't recruiting noobs, then no one is being awoxed in the first place. But since awoxing is happening, then people are in fact recruiting. The real problem here is that there are too many ways to pretend that EVE is a single player game, and that highsec enables those things too much with hand holding gameplay.
When did EvE become a game that had to be played your way?
When did EvE have any correct way to play?
More people is beneficial, period. There is no quality in a player who's primary gameplay is centered around targeting newbies. |
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Posted - 2015.01.17 09:42:27 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Trammel...
Sorry in Trammel you could kill your guildmates.
Oh and the game grew to almost double in size after that, but please i love this analogy. |
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:56:42 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Trammel... Sorry in Trammel you could kill your guildmates. Oh and the game grew to almost double in size after that, but please i love this analogy. And any recent Call of Duty has more players than the entire MMO industry combined. Should we turn EVE into a mlgpro360noscope420blazeiteveryday fps game? Obviously that would result in waaaaay more subscribers.
People pay subs to play shooters? Doubt it, not exclusively. |
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:58:58 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Trammel... Sorry in Trammel you could kill your guildmates. Oh and the game grew to almost double in size after that, but please i love this analogy. And now it's F2P and for all intents and purposes on life support. Solecist Project wrote:I'm the only sane person around here.
*runs around half naked ...
... her boobees jiggling ...
... spreading sparkly pink glitter* Oh god, if you're the sanest person here, we're well and truly screwed  *tucks ISK into Sol's underwear. Be careful with the running and jiggling of those weapons of mass distraction, you'll give yourself a pair of black eyes, or concussion.
Free to play on UO? That isn't an EA server then. Yes although they add nothing they still expect full sub. |
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Posted - 2015.01.17 12:01:23 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Trammel... Sorry in Trammel you could kill your guildmates. Oh and the game grew to almost double in size after that, but please i love this analogy. And now it's F2P and for all intents and purposes on life support. Solecist Project wrote:I'm the only sane person around here.
*runs around half naked ...
... her boobees jiggling ...
... spreading sparkly pink glitter* Oh god, if you're the sanest person here, we're well and truly screwed *tucks ISK into Sol's underwear. Be careful with the running and jiggling of those weapons of mass distraction, you'll give yourself a pair of black eyes, or concussion.
Free to play on Ultima Online? What illegal server are you playing?
The last thing even to this day UO is free, unless you count trial accounts, in that case EvE is free too. |
Sugar Smacks
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Posted - 2015.01.17 22:02:29 -
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Not even about the topic anymore, silly post.
Poor CCP i suddenly realize what they had to go through to put the safety button there. |
Sugar Smacks
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Posted - 2015.01.17 22:06:26 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Neo Kathura wrote:I find it amusing the amount of times "Trammel" is used in this thread. If you actually think about it Trammel didn't actually remove anything. All it did was offer an alternate world to play in and players who preferred playing without non-consensual pvp moved away. What upsets people is the realisation that a far smaller subset of players stick around to get killed leaving the players who like pvp with just other people who also like to pvp - and it turns out that they actually liked fighting people who had no intention of fighting back, so being surrounded by other pvpers was boring.
So the problem wasn't that the game was "ruined" by Trammel, the problem was that the loudest players didn't like what the majority of players did and cried about it while the game itself actually rolled on quite healthily for years.
EVE is likely the same. If you made an identical universe without non-consensual pvp its likely that a mass of players would move to that leaving the pvp server with just players who want to fight, and they would be upset at having to fight each other rather than easy kills. CCP seem to be realising this and trying to find a balance between keeping to the spirit of the game and appealing to the largest audience. Good on them. And once again, we're back to the argument for removing nonconsensual pvp from EVE in order to give the masses what they want, and already have plenty of in terms of alternatives: a generic, pve-focused MMO with no real requirement of interacting with others aside from making groups in order to take down dungeon bosses. You need to realize that there's no magical middle ground to be had here. Either the game supports killing others against their will, or it doesn't. Even having just one viable method is enough, technically. It's just that (and before anyone jumps on me for saying this) removing alternatives sets the precedent for removing the feature totally. Let's say there are only ganking and wars left, right? They're already the most "offensive," disagreeable ways of killing players in the game, so why remove the satellite methods, if they're weaker and used less? There's only precedent, and nothing else. If CCP was truly concerned with the "new players in corporations" thing, they'd remove wars first, and then worried about minor alternatives.
Trammel did not kill Felucia, you can claim all day it did, it just shows you didn't play.
If you would like to talk about Ultima Online i will gladly poop all over what you think it is.
Felluca was destroyed by EA and Mesanna for not adding anything ever while adding a steady stream of Trammel content that lasted for years. In fact UO did well with Trammel for over 5 years, so well in fact you couldn't find housing on almost any shard. But then EA bought it and that is where all good games go to die. |
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